Daughter of Freedom,
Welcome to the forum! You may be equally amazed to know that the society frequently SELLS kingdom halls to other churches knowingly!
Anything for a buck....
i don't know if this is wt policy, but our hall had a policy of assigning bookstudy groups to clean the hall.
the few times my family actually showed up (along with anyone else) that the hall was always in a disgusting state, especially the bathroom.
the woman's washroom had the most revolting smell you could ever imagine.
Daughter of Freedom,
Welcome to the forum! You may be equally amazed to know that the society frequently SELLS kingdom halls to other churches knowingly!
Anything for a buck....
well, honestly, is there any better gift? from a good man to a good woman?
Climax is not a dirty word. It is a gift from one lover to another. It is NOT FROM SATAN. IT IS NOT HINDERED BY RULES AND REGULATIONS, IT IS NOT BOUND BY CONVENTION OR BY AUTHORITY.
It is a sweet, loving, kind, UNCONVETIONAL GIFT OF MUTUAL LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE.
No sweeter gift can be given or recieved in my estimation. God love a good man. A good lover. If ya got one, hug him close and love the stuffin's out of him. '
Better than Candy...
(((smiles)))
(((((mini)))))))))))
I miss talking with you, hope all is well.
In answer to your question (pardon the bluntness, but it comes from the heart)
My favorite gift is sex. Raw, unbridled joy, sex.
Having that special lovemaking knowing it is freely given, without bounds, no guilt, and give and get...now that is a gift, and how.
Hot damn! I did not know life could be this good! (blushing). I am just turned 40, and have just learned the value of this gift. Passion, love, in the physical sense, the BEST GIFT OF ALL!
It is joyfull, healing, unblemished, sweet surrender. How nice...
I make no apology for this one, we all need it, we all want it, we all enjoy it in is purest form. It is the most stolen moments that the jw's steal from us....
and should be the most intimate aned fought for. Unbridled joy felt with our mate....the most precious gift I have found.
LW
over at channelc, tom cabeen put together as excellent a summary of the organization's evolution, as i've ever seen.. www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi.
he suggests that the whole theology of vindication came from rutherford himself, getting thrown in prison.. .
in addition, i note that channelc seems to have a recent influx of long term witnesses concerned about the bible.
Thank You Metatron for the info, is always good to have our ears to the ground.
You are always contributing that way, and I for one appreciate you and your work in forwarding this info.
LW
hi there, i know its up to me in the end, but just wondering, what would most of you do?
my da'ing could be tonight, should i take the opportunity (before they can no longer speak to me ) to tell a few jw's that i am being da'd for telling the truth, or not to bother.
does it matter anyway.
Shirl,
"The truth never hurt nobody" is a common expression here.
Personally, I feel you should stand up and be counted. Calm yourself, and walk right up to the podium. Speak your peace in a calm and rehearsed fashion. The congregation will be in shock but they will have no choice but to listen. Folks will actually wake up and take note. They feel the same as you do. WHo knows, you may start a rebellion.
SPEAK OUT!!!!!!!!!!
my 30-year old daughter committed suicide on 11-13-2004. we had both been jw's who had left the borg.
she had been diagnosed as bipolar.
i did a search from the top of the page to see if this topic has been covered but it did not work.
(((((((((Rico))))))))))
My heart is pained by your loss, words cannot express how much I feel for you. My troubles pale in comparison to yours.
Damn Sweetie... Feel free to post what you will. I imagine you have anger, hurt, despair, and grief to the hilt.... We are here for you. No judgements, no rules... Cuss a blue streak, bawl, whatever you need. I pray you find some comfort and peace that is due you.
Dee
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i am pretty sure this is what i am.
i would love to chat with anyone else who might want to sort some stuff out with me.. many thanks!.
Hi Nottheonlyone, nice to "meet" you!
I remember the very moment that everything finally clicked for me. That the OT pointed to Jesus, that the nwt is the only "bible" that doesnt jive, that the heart of christianity was cut and mutilated beyond recognition in the jw version..
I remember my first communion, I broke down and bawled! Unbridled Joy is the only way to describe what I felt on that Sunday Morning.
As someone else stated, my emphasis is on sprituality and not religion and rules. That to me is the reason Jesus came here, to Free us from the chains of mans rules and regulations, not to add more to the list.
Uzzah, your outburst is uncalled for. You chose to read and post. Grow up...
i received a message from quotes that he asked to pass on to the forum.i'll be posting to the board an update of my situation probably next week, but not before then.
so far, the news it good.
however, if you would like to post to let everyone know that despite this "watchtower backed persecution" (lol) i continue "faithfully in my sacred service" of publishing zany watchtower quotes.
I concur with jgnat, LONG LIVE QUOTES WEBSITE (AND THE MAN)
You have done well my friend, and my hope is that the watchtower bully is put into its proper place.....bottom of the garbage heap.
Lw
i was wondering if anyone else has had a hard time making friends since leaving the organization.
being raised as a jw, it seems difficult to me, as i was never allowed to have any friends who weren't other jw's.
as a result, i have isolated myself to only my immediate family.
Welcome to JWD HappyCamper!
You know, most all ex-jw's struggle with this issue. I think that is why many of us feel so at home on this forum. You must realize that you (and we) were taught that we were "special" people, more important and closer to god than any other group on the planet! Everyone will die a spectacular death "any day now"! But not us. No, not us. As long as we follow the instruction manuals, don't piss off the elders, and keep our hours high, we are paradise bound.....
The rest of the world is labeled in all kinds of ugly terms. We were brainwashed to believe that all non-jw's were "worldly, wicked,evil, goat-like, and bird food"... When someone is taught those things from a young age, over many years and five times per week, fear of outsiders sets in.
When someone finally breaks free from these teachings, it is usually alone. It is hard to do without support of friends and family. The watchtower knows this, and this is why shunning is used. To isolate you and make you stick with 'em.
Here is my advice. First, congratulate yourself for your intelligence and bravery. So many jw's live their entire lives in fear of living. They never come to understand that they were being misled. There are MANY folks here on JWD, who served the tower for decades and lossed so much when they broke free. Their stories are inspirational and strengthening for your spirit, and I hope you will read about them. They have gone on to help others in your position and understand exactly what you are going through.
Try to minimize any guilt you feel. You didnt make the rules and you never had the power to change them for anyone but yourself.
Reaching out to humanity outside your group helps too. Life experience is the best teacher. Try to find a good charity to volunteer for such as habitate for humanity, or a food bank. You will meet many other people of all walks of life and come to understand that the fear of outsiders is totally unfounded.
I think you being here around others that understand the unique problems associated with the watchtower will help you tremendously. Many here meet in person, chat on the phone, email, and snail mail. I hope you make many new friends and get the support that you need and deserve.
If it is alright with you, I will count you as my friend! Theres a start. Now get out there and start living!!!!
LW
you may remember i posted two days ago about a ten-page jw tsunami report that was e-mailed to me.
it consisted of about three separate letters.
since the report was so long, i tried to copy and paste some of the quotes from a word document and only got two out of seven.
What a small minded, vindictive, self serving gawd these folks have created for themselves to worship!
Such ignorance in this day in age is astounding. Worse, this is not a regional theology, but another import from the hate mill from america aka the watchtower society. Is it any wonder that many countries are fighting so hard to keep these sick cults from being established? Every time I hear someone refer to the jw's as "christian" I want to scream.
At any rate, thanks for the quotes Bonnie-Clyde. I figured such statements would be forthcoming. Of course this is the work of "those who ran ahead" and the watchtower society will shrug their shoulders in innocence as to how their members come to such conclusions right?
Grrrrrrr!!!!!